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I don't see them as evils really, again, opinions. So what is your alternative to this horrible, despicable system that is plaguing our society?
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ok, so if I charge you 10% of your income, which is far less than the amount the US and canadian governments charge the majority of there citizens... so now that I have met that requirement, you have no problem paying up then?
"Taxation may well be stealing by your point of view, but go to the Middle East, go to India, go somewhere that taxation is none existent or is not as enforced, I guarantee you'll be wanting to come back, one has to give to receive. " this is a very poor argument, to apply the same reasoning one could say "yes, being raped once a month in prison is bad, but go to those prisons in mexico where they dont even provide you food, you will be begging to come back" just because the current alternatives to the existing evils are worse it does not justify the current evils.
I think you're being a little unreasonable personally, for one taxes are usually if not always dependant on a percentage of income and do not rise above a certain percent of overall earnings, so putting a set price of 2000 dollars is somewhat proposterous unless one is particularly rich. And no, I have no problem with the state exacting force to enforce laws that are wanted by the people. Great Britain, the United States, every democratic nation in the world has established its means of taxation and law based upon the wants and needs of the people, tweaked and pulled in places by basic human greed and such I'll consent to, however all in all if it was an unfair system, someone would find it out, and people would not stand for it, especially in this modern day and age. Life isn't like a video game, there's no such thing as the Patriots like from Metal Gear Solid, no Illuminati organization working behind the scenes that is pulling the strings of the world governments to gain personal profit or to seize and hold power for themselves, and even if they were, why care if life is fine the way it is? Taxation may well be stealing by your point of view, but go to the Middle East, go to India, go somewhere that taxation is none existent or is not as enforced, I guarantee you'll be wanting to come back, one has to give to receive.
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
ok, great. So you have no problem with someone using force to extract money from another person as long as they are providing a service such as education etc. ok, I am opening an internet school of art that will be available to anyone world wide, you need to pay up $2000 with in the next month to help me fund this, if you do not pay up I will come to your house and take you in my jail (in my basement) where I will keep you for a maximum of 20 years for evading my tax... still have no problem with taxation? of course I would never do such a thing, but there is no difference between a random person doing that and what the state does.
Morality itself is subject to interpretation, theft, murder, rape, polygomy, homosexuality, depending on upbringing, culture, law and various other trivialities that I won't go into, all of these can be considered completely fine, murder being the most common. Someone who kills during a war is a hero, fighting for freedom or glory or some such thing, but in the end is still a murderer, the question is, is it okay? Of course it is to them, but maybe not to you.
The school example, let me put it this way. I said that it is theft if someone takes from a victim without any kind of intended favour or compensation. Now if you have to pay taxes to keep a school open, some of those children attending the school grow up to be leaders, teachers, engineers, military leaders, diplomats, people of importance needed to keep your life from taking a sharp dive into the lavatory. Personally I think that's rather a fair exchange
Humans are so bloody selfish, "Why should I have to pay for someone else's kid to go to school?" "Why should I have to pay police wages? What have they done for me?"
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
but one does not have the choice to opt out of taxation, since the government has a monopoly on these services and if you do not pay your taxes you will sooner or later find a police officer at your door who will forcibly take you to jail. If you take out all the flags and uniforms there is no difference between taxation and theft. If I was to build a school near you and just demand money from everyone who lives in the area regardless of whether they are using my service or not, and then throw people in a cell if they do not pay up, this would obviously be considered theft. It is only when you rap the same action in the context of the state and mask the blatant theft that is occuring by calling it taxation that people see this action as justifiable. I am asking what is the difference? Since you have already agreed that redefining something from illegal to legal does not change the morality or the nature of the action itself. You also said that it would be hypocritical to legalize theft. So how can you possibly support legalized theft, or taxation if you prefer to call it that?
Yes, because that would be stealing, I have no right to steal from someone whose done me no wrong. Taxation however, referring back to that, is legal and justifiable, if one doesn't want to be taxed, then expect no police, fire fighters, no NHS, no military, no government, no Wellfair, no big business, and a brief or knowing this species, a constant era of adjustment to the new system-less age of chaos and anarchy. If you don't want a particular tax, then complain about it, or vote advocators of it out of office, it's that simple
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
If you would never advocate genocide and mass slaughter since you have no rights in choosing the lives and deaths of other people since you yourself are just another person then would it not also be true that you do not have the right to take other peoples money from them (without there permission) because you are just a person like them.
I am an Imperialist, by that I mean that I advocate a system of countries joint together under the rule of a Mother Country. In such an Empire, I'd prefer a more Democratic style of government, such as the one formed under the British Empire, not some power mad dictator. You anger about the misunderstanding is understandable, no matter how much I may despise the mass of humanity, I would never advocate genocide and mass slaughter, I have no rights in choosing the lives and deaths of other people, when I myself am just another of them.
No, the original intent was to form a Marxist government, in which all citizens would be equal, but over time the Bolshevik ideology changed as it began to realize that it would never work. It went in steps. First the Bolsheviks would usurp power for themselves, and, using Lenein's word, would become the "Vanguard" of the people, until such a time that they are able to rule themselves as stated by Karl Marx in the Communist Manifesto. I have a different view of history.
My definition of a central authority is just that, a group or person that is the head of authority, any kind of government fits this category to me, wether it's a democracy or an autocracy, that si what I mean by central authority, just a government. I advocate that a government needs to take part in many aspects of society, however this needs to be limited and intervened only at times of crisis, starvation in Russia was deemed by Stalin as neccessary for the good of the mass, I disagree, I am more of a capitalist/socialist when it comes to economics.
I already answered that question, in short however, and if you don't want to have to go back and read through the messages again, in a nutshell I said that I do not think it would be correct by my morals, and I also said that it would never happen, it's an idiotic idea to legalize stealing, it;s an oxymoron among other things
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
ok. Misunderstanding, I think we are both using completely different definitions of words and are talking about different things. I got angry with you when you said something along the lines of political violence is fun, not realizing that you were just talking about a heated debate and instead thinking you meant murder and genocide, however I am still confused because you seem to be a supporter of fascism. Fascism certainly does have a definition and I was using this definition: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator. Since that is what you are advocating, I correctly labeled you a supporter of fascism. Unless I have misunderstood you.
I dont think you know what you are talking about when it comes to the soviet union, I know you asked me not to quote you but try telling "the Soviet Union attempted to form a Communist society without a central authority" to a history teacher who knows anything about russia and you will just get laughed at. You have a very warped view of history.
"without a central authority, people were going to get fed in a country as big as Russia" I agree, when you have a central authority that takes control of food production/ distribution it leads to mass starvation, like what happened in russia when the communists got in to power... although doesnt this contradict what you were saying before about the necessity of a centralized authority? this is why I am very confused.
Although this all has little to do with what we were originally talking about, and I would love it, if you have the time if you could answer my two original questions. Although if you do not then that is no problem. Hypothetically speaking, if a government passed a law that made all stealing legal, would that then make it morally ok to steal? and would it still be stealing if it was legal?
Imperialism and fascism are two extremely different things, there is no definition for fascism, what makes it so dangerous is its malleability to the wills of those who choose to adopt it as a label, a little change here a little tweak there, and one has a tyrannical regime, reverse that tweak, give that sentence an extra word, and you have the perfect society. Fascist violence, the holocaust and all that can't happen again until it is safely out of memory, and I tell you now, that won't be happening in our lifetimes.
Have you ever watched a Parliamentary debate? That's what I mean by violence, arguing in a government body, that's what is fun.
I have a dry sense of humour, the language comment was a joke, sarcasm. Also if you don't mind, I really don't require my messages quoted back to me thank you, I can just click the parent button, though it is kind of you
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
You can take a history class, Lenin the original Bolshevick leader originally attempted to form a Marxist society because of the former oppressive regime of the Czar. Of course it didn't work, people could care less about what government they have, if any at all as long as they get what they want, that's whyt he many revolutions of the mid 1800's all failed, people didn't want to vote when they were starving, and without a central authority, people were going to get fed in a country as big as Russia. Of course when Stalin came to power, he used his programs of getting Russia on its feet to stabilize his authority and cement his rule.
"Beware our comrade Stalin" were one of the last things Lenin said
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
and you have a problem with my swearing when you are advocating fascistic violence... "Pfft, violence in government is what make sit fun, have you ever seen the US Congress? It's as boring as hell. I don't hold such orthadox views myself, perosnally I think we need to go back tot he Imperial system when the major powers of the world hold dominion over the world."
"the Soviet Union attempted to form a Communist society without a central authority" really? Could I see some sources that support that claim? and even if that is true and they failed at doing that, it is in no way proof of the necessity of opression/ government.
You missed my point, the Soviet Union attempted to form a Communist society without a central authority, my point was that they failed in that because formed a central authority, proving that the concept of anarchy and absence of government cannot be done in this modern age. I live in this world unfortunately, alongside opinionated masses of idiots who individually have potential but choose to follow the moronic tendencies of the general mass of this pestilent species. Neither hive minded nor individual, what you argue can never be true like this
And there's no need for such language
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
holy shit. "the human race just can't do without some central authority, the Soviet Union proved that" what fucking world are you living in? millions of people starved to death under the soviet union.
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
"Taxation may well be stealing by your point of view, but go to the Middle East, go to India, go somewhere that taxation is none existent or is not as enforced, I guarantee you'll be wanting to come back, one has to give to receive.
" this is a very poor argument, to apply the same reasoning one could say "yes, being raped once a month in prison is bad, but go to those prisons in mexico where they dont even provide you food, you will be begging to come back" just because the current alternatives to the existing evils are worse it does not justify the current evils.
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And no, I have no problem with the state exacting force to enforce laws that are wanted by the people. Great Britain, the United States, every democratic nation in the world has established its means of taxation and law based upon the wants and needs of the people, tweaked and pulled in places by basic human greed and such I'll consent to, however all in all if it was an unfair system, someone would find it out, and people would not stand for it, especially in this modern day and age. Life isn't like a video game, there's no such thing as the Patriots like from Metal Gear Solid, no Illuminati organization working behind the scenes that is pulling the strings of the world governments to gain personal profit or to seize and hold power for themselves, and even if they were, why care if life is fine the way it is?
Taxation may well be stealing by your point of view, but go to the Middle East, go to India, go somewhere that taxation is none existent or is not as enforced, I guarantee you'll be wanting to come back, one has to give to receive.
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
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The school example, let me put it this way. I said that it is theft if someone takes from a victim without any kind of intended favour or compensation. Now if you have to pay taxes to keep a school open, some of those children attending the school grow up to be leaders, teachers, engineers, military leaders, diplomats, people of importance needed to keep your life from taking a sharp dive into the lavatory. Personally I think that's rather a fair exchange
Humans are so bloody selfish, "Why should I have to pay for someone else's kid to go to school?" "Why should I have to pay police wages? What have they done for me?"
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
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If you don't want a particular tax, then complain about it, or vote advocators of it out of office, it's that simple
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
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No, the original intent was to form a Marxist government, in which all citizens would be equal, but over time the Bolshevik ideology changed as it began to realize that it would never work. It went in steps. First the Bolsheviks would usurp power for themselves, and, using Lenein's word, would become the "Vanguard" of the people, until such a time that they are able to rule themselves as stated by Karl Marx in the Communist Manifesto. I have a different view of history.
My definition of a central authority is just that, a group or person that is the head of authority, any kind of government fits this category to me, wether it's a democracy or an autocracy, that si what I mean by central authority, just a government. I advocate that a government needs to take part in many aspects of society, however this needs to be limited and intervened only at times of crisis, starvation in Russia was deemed by Stalin as neccessary for the good of the mass, I disagree, I am more of a capitalist/socialist when it comes to economics.
I already answered that question, in short however, and if you don't want to have to go back and read through the messages again, in a nutshell I said that I do not think it would be correct by my morals, and I also said that it would never happen, it's an idiotic idea to legalize stealing, it;s an oxymoron among other things
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
I dont think you know what you are talking about when it comes to the soviet union, I know you asked me not to quote you but try telling "the Soviet Union attempted to form a Communist society without a central authority" to a history teacher who knows anything about russia and you will just get laughed at. You have a very warped view of history.
"without a central authority, people were going to get fed in a country as big as Russia" I agree, when you have a central authority that takes control of food production/ distribution it leads to mass starvation, like what happened in russia when the communists got in to power... although doesnt this contradict what you were saying before about the necessity of a centralized authority? this is why I am very confused.
Although this all has little to do with what we were originally talking about, and I would love it, if you have the time if you could answer my two original questions. Although if you do not then that is no problem. Hypothetically speaking, if a government passed a law that made all stealing legal, would that then make it morally ok to steal? and would it still be stealing if it was legal?
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Have you ever watched a Parliamentary debate? That's what I mean by violence, arguing in a government body, that's what is fun.
I have a dry sense of humour, the language comment was a joke, sarcasm. Also if you don't mind, I really don't require my messages quoted back to me thank you, I can just click the parent button, though it is kind of you
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
"Beware our comrade Stalin" were one of the last things Lenin said
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
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I live in this world unfortunately, alongside opinionated masses of idiots who individually have potential but choose to follow the moronic tendencies of the general mass of this pestilent species. Neither hive minded nor individual, what you argue can never be true like this
And there's no need for such language
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Im sarcastic, Im cynical, Im pessimistic, I despise the mass of humanity, and I support ones right to be gay if they choose to be. Strange that of these traits, people only bitch about the last one
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